Sam Lyman Puts 70% Odds on Clarity Passing Before Recess
Unchained | Jul 15 2026 | 00:09:31

Austin Campbell draws a parallel between the AI data center backlash and the decades-long collapse of US nuclear power, then Sam Lyman of the Bitcoin Policy Institute puts real odds on whether the Clarity Act passes the Senate before August recess.
Hosts:
Austin Campbell, Host of Bits + Bips, Founder of Zero Knowledge Group, and Adjunct Professor at NYU Stern
Ram Ahluwalia, Co-host of Bits + Bips and CEO of Lumida
Chris Perkins, Co-host of Bits + Bips and Head of Franklin Crypto
Guest:
Sam Lyman - Head of Research at the Bitcoin Policy Institute
This clip is from a longer conversation on foreign funded opposition to AI data centers and the odds of the Clarity Act passing. Full episode here: https://youtu.be/-xbSniveaQU
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Chapters:
🏗️ 00:00 Austin compares the AI backlash to nuclear power's collapse, citing Indian Point
🧭 01:21 Sam calls nuclear the ideal analogy: a problem we solved, then banned
🏠 02:10 Why Sam says AI's real opposition comes from inside the house
👷 02:37 The blue-collar AI boom: construction jobs, electricians, and data centers
🗳️ 04:07 Ram says political leadership, not just technology, has to show up
🎯 05:15 Sam puts Clarity's odds at 70% before August recess
⏳ 06:55 Why the August recess deadline is the real driver of momentum
📉 07:38 Sam's odds drop to 35 to 40% if Congress doesn't act in the next few weeks
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Hosts:
Austin Campbell, Host of Bits + Bips, Founder of Zero Knowledge Group, and Adjunct Professor at NYU Stern
Ram Ahluwalia, Co-host of Bits + Bips and CEO of Lumida
Chris Perkins, Co-host of Bits + Bips and Head of Franklin Crypto
Guest:
Sam Lyman - Head of Research at the Bitcoin Policy Institute
This clip is from a longer conversation on foreign funded opposition to AI data centers and the odds of the Clarity Act passing. Full episode here: https://youtu.be/-xbSniveaQU
We go live every Monday - subscribe to catch it live.
Sponsor
Cape: Your biggest crypto vulnerability isn't your wallet, it's your phone number. Cape is America's privacy-first mobile carrier that rotates your SIM identity daily and blocks SIM swaps before they happen. Get 33% off your first six months at https://cape.co/unchained (use code: UNCHAINED).
Chapters:
🏗️ 00:00 Austin compares the AI backlash to nuclear power's collapse, citing Indian Point
🧭 01:21 Sam calls nuclear the ideal analogy: a problem we solved, then banned
🏠 02:10 Why Sam says AI's real opposition comes from inside the house
👷 02:37 The blue-collar AI boom: construction jobs, electricians, and data centers
🗳️ 04:07 Ram says political leadership, not just technology, has to show up
🎯 05:15 Sam puts Clarity's odds at 70% before August recess
⏳ 06:55 Why the August recess deadline is the real driver of momentum
📉 07:38 Sam's odds drop to 35 to 40% if Congress doesn't act in the next few weeks
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