Uneasy Money: Is OpenAI Training on Your Private Chats to Win the AI Race?
Unchained | Sep 10 2026 | 01:21:57
Alex Thorn and Jon join Kain and Taylor to unpack a Bitcoin hack, two new frontier models, and why nobody trusts their AI chats anymore.
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A Bitcoin sidechain lost $300 million to a consensus bug this week, and the hackers who returned 85% of it are trying to extort a "bug bounty" out of Blockstream for the rest.
Alex Thorn, Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy, and Jon, Head of Strategy at Venice and co-founder of ShapeShift, join Kain Warwick and Taylor Monahan to unpack how AI models are now finding exploits faster than the humans who wrote the code, and to push back on the idea that returning stolen funds makes anyone a white hat.
They also dig into Astra and Fable 5.1, two frontier models that landed days after a mathematician working inside OpenAI's Codex clashed publicly with OpenAI over who actually solved a Millennium Prize-adjacent proof.
Jon and Alex explain why the "don't train on my data" toggle may not mean much, and why identity is becoming the real privacy battleground.
The conversation closes on whether an Anthropic researcher quitting this week is a warning the industry is choosing to ignore.
Hosts:
Kain Warwick - Host of Uneasy Money and Founder of Infinex and Synthetix
Taylor Monahan - Co-host of Uneasy Money and Security Expert
Guests:
Alex Thorn - Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy
Jon - Head of Strategy at Venice and Co-founder of ShapeShift
Timestamps
🔓 01:15 How a consensus bug let hackers mint $300M in fake Bitcoin
📜 7:50 Why the Liquid hackers are no white hats
🤖 17:16 Did an AI agent find the Liquid exploit?
⚖️ 28:10 Taylor on why there’s no excuse for the hackers’ actions
💧 32:08 1inch Aqua: See how the shared liquidity layer works at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-sn
🧠 32:54 Astra and Fable 5.1 land, and one is writing eerily compressed code
📐 35:19 The Millennium Prize proof fight between OpenAI and an Anthropic researcher
🧬 44:48 Kain on fast takeoff, recursive self-improvement, and paperclipped kids
🕵️ 55:18 How to keep your novel research out of an AI's training data
⚰️ 01:07:03 Why an Anthropic researcher's resignation has Kain and Taylor spooked
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A Bitcoin sidechain lost $300 million to a consensus bug this week, and the hackers who returned 85% of it are trying to extort a "bug bounty" out of Blockstream for the rest.
Alex Thorn, Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy, and Jon, Head of Strategy at Venice and co-founder of ShapeShift, join Kain Warwick and Taylor Monahan to unpack how AI models are now finding exploits faster than the humans who wrote the code, and to push back on the idea that returning stolen funds makes anyone a white hat.
They also dig into Astra and Fable 5.1, two frontier models that landed days after a mathematician working inside OpenAI's Codex clashed publicly with OpenAI over who actually solved a Millennium Prize-adjacent proof.
Jon and Alex explain why the "don't train on my data" toggle may not mean much, and why identity is becoming the real privacy battleground.
The conversation closes on whether an Anthropic researcher quitting this week is a warning the industry is choosing to ignore.
Hosts:
Kain Warwick - Host of Uneasy Money and Founder of Infinex and Synthetix
Taylor Monahan - Co-host of Uneasy Money and Security Expert
Guests:
Alex Thorn - Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy
Jon - Head of Strategy at Venice and Co-founder of ShapeShift
Timestamps
🔓 01:15 How a consensus bug let hackers mint $300M in fake Bitcoin
📜 7:50 Why the Liquid hackers are no white hats
🤖 17:16 Did an AI agent find the Liquid exploit?
⚖️ 28:10 Taylor on why there’s no excuse for the hackers’ actions
💧 32:08 1inch Aqua: See how the shared liquidity layer works at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-sn
🧠 32:54 Astra and Fable 5.1 land, and one is writing eerily compressed code
📐 35:19 The Millennium Prize proof fight between OpenAI and an Anthropic researcher
🧬 44:48 Kain on fast takeoff, recursive self-improvement, and paperclipped kids
🕵️ 55:18 How to keep your novel research out of an AI's training data
⚰️ 01:07:03 Why an Anthropic researcher's resignation has Kain and Taylor spooked
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