Ambition 2.0

When's the last time you actually looked at your bank account without cringing? 

Amanda Goetz sits down with Haley Sacks (a.k.a. Mrs. Dow Jones), the internet's favorite financial expert, New York Times best-selling author of Future Rich Person: The New Rules for Building Wealth, and the woman behind the over two-million-strong community Mrs. Dow Jones. Haley built her entire brand on making money feel less shameful and way more accessible. And in this conversation, she gets into exactly how she did it (and how you can too).

They cover why most of us were never actually taught how to manage money (spoiler: it's not your fault), why "deprivation" is the worst financial advice, the money beliefs we absorb before we even turn seven (!!), and why looking rich and being financially powerful are two very different games. Haley also gets real about her own money trauma, her parents' complicated relationship to wealth, and the "aha money moment" that changed everything for her.

Key Takeaways:


People can inherit money, but nobody inherits financial literacy, which means anyone can build it from zero.


There's a floor to how much you can cut from your spending, but there's no ceiling to how much you can earn.


Money dates are Haley's monthly ritual of sitting down with her finances—credit card statements, invoices, upcoming spending—and it's how she stays in control.


Money is a relationship like any other—and you can't grow it if you avoid it. If you never actually sit down with your finances, don't expect it to get stronger.

A “future rich person” has control over their time, their relationships, their choices, and their ability to leave situations that no longer serve them.Timestamps:

[00:00] Intro

[04:50] The origin story of Mrs. Dow Jones

[06:09] The messages girls absorb about money growing up

[08:08] Frictionless finance and doom-spending

[11:09] Growing up with a "Wall Street father" 

[15:23] Why women still feel embarrassed talking about money

[18:25] Looking rich vs. being financially powerful

[20:12] What is financial helplessness

[22:21] Haley's monthly "money date" and the 50/30/20 rule she swears by

[25:08] Why negotiating is the most underrated money move

[28:14] Where women unknowingly give away their financial power 

[30:13] What to do if you feel like you're behind financially 

[31:45] Rapid fire questions

[36:48] What "future rich person" really means to Haley

GUEST LINKS

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrsdowjones/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mrsdowjones

Website: https://www.mrsdowjones.com/

Book: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9798217090907 

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Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we'll be exploring what it really means to "have it all" in work, family, identity, and self… and if it's actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who've walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have.

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What if "having it all" didn't mean climbing a single corporate ladder but building a whole web of work that fits your real life? An ecosystem of offers, clients, and projects fueled by your network and reputation, where you can tap into different opportunities at different seasons of life.

This week, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Anna Mackenzie, a startup advisor, writer, and author of the newsletter Anna Mack’s Stack, who traded the corporate dream for a self-designed portfolio career. They get into how to diversify your income, why articulating your value is harder (and more important) than selling it, and how to start building on the side without burning out or quitting your day job.

From the sunk cost fallacy that keeps you stuck to the 30-minutes-a-day rule that changed Anna's life, this episode is your friendly reminder to stop forcing your career into a straight line.

Key Takeaways:


A portfolio career is multidimensional and diversified by design—many income streams, projects, and identities at once.


A full-time job can absolutely be part of a portfolio. It's not all-or-nothing.


Your salary can fund the experimentation. Start building on the side before you leap.


Ask past bosses and colleagues what you're good at. You can't always see your set of skills or offers clearly.


Break big scary goals into the smallest achievable unit of effort—what Amanda calls the “KitKat” method.


Structure your portfolio career around three tiers: core, secondary, and experimental income.


You don't need a perfect strategy. Experiment your way to a plan that fits your life.

(00:00) Intro

(02:16) How ambition changes over time

(04:20) What a portfolio career actually is

(06:42) Signs a portfolio career might be for you

(08:55) What keeps people stuck

(11:41) Why the traditional path feels narrow for women

(13:42) The first step: knowing your value

(16:04) Starting when you're too drained

(20:04) Side hustle vs. portfolio career

(21:18) Building your flywheel

(24:30) Deliberate experimentation

(29:16) Rapid fire

GUEST LINKS

Anna’s new 6-week accelerator, The Portfolio Career Build Method: https://www.annamackenzie.com.au/portfoliocareerbuildmethodSubstack: Anna Mack’s Stack 

Website: https://www.annamackenzie.com.au/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annaclmack/ 

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@annaclmack 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annaclmack/ 

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We’re told that we can have it all if we time it right: build your career first, then start a family. But what does the medicine actually say?

Amanda Goetz sits down with Dr. Lucky Sekhon, a double board-certified reproductive endocrinologist at RMA of New York and author of the USA Today bestseller The Lucky Egg.

Dr. Lucky busts the biggest fertility myths (no, your fertility doesn't fall off a cliff at 35), explains why so-called "fertility checks" are mostly marketing, and breaks down the real difference between freezing eggs and freezing embryos. She also flips the script on a part of the story we tend to ignore—male-factor infertility, which accounts for roughly half of cases—and why family building is a team sport. Women shouldn’t carry all the burden!

It's an honest, science-forward, and surprisingly reassuring conversation about the fertility knowledge gap—and how it’s okay to not have it all figured out in your 20s. .

This episode gets into both the emotional and physical considerations of fertility treatment, and we think it's a worthwhile listen, regardless of what stage of life you might find yourself in—and even if you're undecided on the whole kids thing.

Key Takeaways:


Fertility doesn't fall off a cliff at 35. It's a gradual continuum, and many women conceive naturally into their 30s and 40s.


AMH measures egg count, not fertility, and a low number shouldn't cause panic.


Most pop-in or at-home "fertility checks" are marketing. No single test can predict whether you'll struggle to conceive.


Start paying attention in your 20s by understanding your cycle and spotting red flags like PCOS or endometriosis. And pay attention to your family history.


Freezing eggs and freezing embryos are different—eggs offer more flexibility and stay solely yours, while embryos give clearer answers but need both partners' sign-off.


When choosing a clinic, ask about its actual thaw and IVF success rates, not just whether you like the doctor.


Male-factor infertility is something we need to talk more about.


Every day stress doesn't cause infertility, but insulin resistance is an under-recognized and treatable driver worth checking.

(01:20) Intro

(03:30) Dr. Lucky's personal journey

(08:49) The misinformation problem and why absolutes are a red flag

(10:22) The "cliff at 35" myth and the continuum of fertility

(11:03) When to start paying attention (hint: your 20s) + birth control myths

(15:28) Amanda's PCOS diagnosis

(18:31) Family timing, privilege, and perfectionism

(21:46) Feeling "behind," the knowledge gap, and giving yourself grace

(24:56) Egg freezing: when it should enter the conversation

(27:14) All about eggs vs. embryos 

(32:12) Men and male-factor infertility

(36:00) Rapid fire

(44:00) Inside The Lucky Egg

GUEST LINKS

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https://www.instagram.com/lucky.sekhon/ 

https://theluckyegg.com/ 

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Most leadership advice was written by and for a generation that thought "work-life balance" meant leaving the office before 9 p.m. and checking emails on weekends.

Amanda Litman is here to set the record straight.

As co-founder of Run for Something—the organization that's helped elect over 1,600 young leaders across the U.S.—and author of When We're In Charge, Amanda has spent years studying what actually makes the next generation of leaders different.

She sat down with Amanda Goetz to get into the stuff no one says out loud, like why "bring your full self to work" is actually setting you up to fail, why return-to-office mandates disproportionately push moms out of the workforce, and what it really means to lead with authenticity without accidentally trauma-dumping on your team. 🙃

Plus: the surprisingly effective thing she did every Saturday in 2025 to fight loneliness; the case for the four-day workweek; and a rapid-fire round of who’s most likely to: workplace edition (Gen Z, millennials, or Gen X).

If you've ever wondered whether you can lead a team, build a career, and have a full life—without becoming the kind of boss you swore you'd never be—this one's for you.

01:17 Intro

02:37 The biggest lie in leadership

07:43 "Bring your full self to work" is setting you up to fail

10:15 The three-question framework for showing up authentically without oversharing

13:43 Personal branding for leaders who grew up online

17:11  How to use your platform without blowing up your career

19:32 Return to office, paid family leave, and why flexible work isn't a perk

25:40 The loneliness of leadership, and two solutions

32:28 The one thing first-time leaders need to let go of (hint: it's being liked)

33:18 Rapid fire who’s most likely to: Gen Z vs. millennial vs. Gen X

KEY TAKEAWAYS


Responsible authenticity is about bringing the best version of yourself to serve your team, not your unfiltered 3 a.m. thoughts.


Your employees are not your friends. Friendship is a relationship between equals, and a boss-employee dynamic is not that. 


If you can't manage a remote team, that's a “you” problem.


The four-day workweek forces better prioritization, and the research backs it up.


The sooner you let go of needing to be liked, the sooner you can actually lead—trying to please everyone is a fast track to pleasing no one and resenting yourself.

GUEST LINKS

IG: https://www.instagram.com/amandalitm/ ;

Read When We're in Charge

Learn more about Run for Something

https://www.amandalitman.com/ ;

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You've probably had one. Maybe you even have one right now. And if Glassdoor data is anything to go by, you're far from alone—mentions of "toxic boss" in workplace reviews have surged 6.7x since 2018. 🤯

This week, Amanda Goetz sits down with Mita Mallick—bestselling author, workplace culture expert, and self-described recovering people pleaser—to talk about the bad bosses we've all worked for, the ones we've quietly become, and how to tell the difference. 

Mita's new book, The Devil Emails at Midnight, breaks down 13 archetypes of bad bosses (yes, they all have nicknames), and this conversation goes deep on the ones you'll recognize immediately—and the ones that are dangerously easy to miss.

They get into why bad bosses are made, not born; what the midnight email really signals about a leader's psychology; and why toxic positivity might actually be the sneakiest trap for high-achieving women. 

Over 70% of workers say they've quit a job because of a bad boss. This episode is for everyone who has—and everyone who's still figuring out whether they should.

Key Takeaways


Bad bosses are made, not born.


The sneakiest toxic boss, The Cheerleader. 


Demanding excellence and coaching excellence are not the same thing.


Apologies are the most underutilized tool in leadership.


Trauma from a bad boss follows you to the next job if you don't deal with it.


Context matters. Not every bad boss is a reason to quit.

Self-awareness is the non-negotiable foundation of good leadership.02:30 Intro

04:49 The 3 moments toxic leadership shows up 

13:18 Why toxic positivity is the hardest boss to spot 

17:25 What The Devil Emails at Midnight title really means 

20:24 Why companies keep tolerating bad bosses 

25:43 Mita was a micromanager too 

29:08 Where to start if you have a toxic boss right now

31:14 How to survive without burning out when leaving isn't an option 

33:05 The post-toxic-boss trauma nobody talks about 

35:42 What the best bosses do differently 

37:20 Rapid-fire questions

GUEST LINKS

IG: https://www.instagram.com/mita_mallick13/ ;

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mita-mallick/ ;

Read The Devil Emails at Midnight: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781394316489 ;

Read Reimagine Inclusion: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781394177097 ;

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If you've ever wondered what actually gets discussed behind closed doors when companies are hiring, promoting, or handing out pink slips, this episode is like a backstage pass.

Amanda Goetz sits down with Deepali Vyas, a veteran executive recruiter and career coach who’s spent 25 years in the boardrooms on Wall Street. She’s also one of the most followed career experts on the internet.  She's advised Fortune 500 CEOs, hedge funds, and private equity firms on their most senior hires—and she's here to spill everything they never told you.

The timing couldn't be better. Between mass layoffs, rapid AI expansion, and an unpredictable job market, navigating your career right now feels harder than ever. Deepali breaks down exactly what's changed, what still works, and what you need to stop doing right now—from the resume mistakes that get you filtered out in six seconds (!!!), to why loyalty to a company is not the flex you think it is, to the 5-5-3 networking rule that actually moves the needle when you're on the market.

We're also getting into the closed-door conversations that decide who gets laid off, the one move that makes hiring managers want you more, and the corporate truth that might sting a little: your manager is not your mentor.

If you've been playing checkers with your career, this is your invitation to start playing chess. Tune into the episode to find out how.

Key Takeaways


Talent alone won't get you promoted—visibility will. 


Your manager is not your mentor. 


Everyone has skills. What separates people is proximity.


BLUF: Bottom line up front.


Build your external brand while you're still employed. 


Why you should leave your job when you’re winning. 


When you're job searching, use the 5-5-3 rule: five texts to people in your network, five days a week, and aim for three meetings.

00:00 Intro

03:12 Deepali's career origin story

05:41 Being underestimated as a superpower

06:13 Talent alone isn't enough: visibility & access matter most

08:14 Managing up & the power memo

13:58 Checkers vs. chess: playing the long game

15:57 Leave when you're winning

17:30 Behind closed doors: what hiring really looks like

20:06 Resumes, layoffs & career resilience

22:54 The 5-5-3 rule

26:46 Becoming indispensable vs. high impact

32:21 Rapid fire: resumes, LinkedIn & interview tips

GUEST LINKS

IG: https://www.instagram.com/the_elite_recruiter/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@elite.recruiter

Subscribe to Deepali's newsletter: https://eliterecruiter-newsletter.beehiiv.com/

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Amanda Holden spent years working 13-hour days at a male-dominated finance firm—helping rich men get richer—before she made a bold exit. She saved aggressively, sold her car, and walked away without a plan. That scrappy chapter even earned her the cute nickname “Dumpster Doggy.” 🙃

But it also gave her something most people never get: the space to figure out what she actually wanted. The answer? Teaching women how to invest.

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with Amanda Holden—financial educator, founder of Invested Development, and author of How to Be a Rich Old Lady—to unpack why investing still feels so overwhelming (even for smart, ambitious, high-earning women). Spoiler: it’s not you. The system was designed to gatekeep this information from women.

Amanda breaks down the biggest lies women have been told about money, why the Roth vs. traditional debate is more distracting than helpful, and what a 401(k) actually is (hint: for our millennial listeners, think of it like Caboodles from the ‘90s).

If you’ve ever looked at your retirement account and thought, “I should probably figure that out someday,” this episode is for you!

In this episode:


Why ambition isn't just about winning the man's game anymore


How Amanda went from finance bro to financial feminist


The Caboodles analogy that will change how you think about your retirement account


Why the Roth vs. traditional debate is the wrong conversation


What a fee-only financial planner actually does (and when you need one)


The #1 first step if you feel behind on investing


Why "go get your match" is the most important money advice for employees


The trad wife economy and the financial risks women need to understand

00:00 Intro

03:59 What drew her to finance and what made her leave 

09:29 The mindset shift that helped her walk away from her finance job

11:02 Her scrappy, "Dumpster Doggy" era (which allowed her to quit her 9-5) 

13:10 The TL;DR on Invested Development, Amanda’s financial education platform 

16:12 Why investing feels so hard, even for smart women 

21:01 The biggest lies women have been told about investing 

23:49 Roth vs. traditional: why it's the wrong debate 

25:13 The Caboodles analogy that explains your 401(k) perfectly 

29:28 The first step when you feel overwhelmed by money 

30:39 Do you actually need a financial planner? 

34:57 The beginner investing move that builds real confidence 

40:05 What it actually means to be a rich old lady 

43:00 Rapid fire: earning vs. investing, money myths, and more

GUEST LINKS

IG: https://www.instagram.com/dumpster.doggy/ 

Read How to Be a Rich Old Lady

Check out the Invested Development course: https://amandaholden.podia.com/invested-development

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Dating in 2026 can feel… bleak. Everyone is analyzing “red flags,” burned out on dating apps, and building emotional walls to stay safe out there. Sound relatable?

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with relationship expert Amy Chan—founder of Renew Breakup Bootcamp, bestselling author of Breakup Bootcamp, and author of the upcoming book Unsingle: How to Date Smarter and Create Love That Lasts—to talk about what’s actually going wrong in modern dating (especially for ambitious women) and how to date smarter.

Amy breaks down why high-achieving women can accidentally bring “CEO energy” into their love lives—turning dating into a project, over-functioning, and doing 90% of the work. You’ll learn how to stop over-giving, create space so someone can show you who they are, and why it’s not your job to coach someone out of their insecurity. 

Plus, Amy shares her “dating funnel” framework (lead generation → evaluation → commitment) and the underrated stage most people skip: the evaluation phase (a.k.a.: dates 3–20, where character is revealed).

If you’re dating right now—or you want a smarter path to partnership—this episode is for you.

You’ll learn: 


Why modern dating feels broken—and how hyper-fixating on red flags is blocking connection


How “CEO energy” can sabotage dating and what to do instead


Why it’s not your job to fix or coach a partner out of insecurity


What emotional wealth really means (and why it matters more than money)


Amy’s “dating funnel” framework and why dates 3–20 are crucial


How “ick culture” keeps people single

How to reopen your heart if dating has made you guarded, burned out, or distrustful 

00:00 Intro

03:22 Women’s standards are rising—and “survival coupling” is over

05:04 What is the “CEO energy” problem?

07:26 How to leave space and let them show who they are

10:12 Emotional wealth > financial flex: what men can do differently now

14:50 Amy’s dating funnel framework

21:08 The internet’s worst dating advice

GUEST LINKS

Instagram:  www.instagram.com/missamychan

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@missamychan

Read Breakup Bootcamp: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780062914743 

Pre-order Unsingle: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781419779848 

www.renewbreakupbootcamp.com 

www.missamychan.com

www.hearthackersclub.com 

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Repeat after us: You can love your job and still be a workaholic.

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with Dr. Malissa Clark, a professor at the University of Georgia, Director of the Healthy Work Lab, and author of Never Not Working: Why the Always-On Culture Is Bad for Business—and How to Fix It, to break down what workaholism can look like in real life (spoiler: it’s not just about working long hours). They get into the sneaky “working light” tasks that we tell ourselves don’t count as work (like sending emails while watching TV or checking Slack between errands), how leaders accidentally create always-on teams, and so much more. 

If you’ve ever felt guilty while resting, struggled to stop thinking about work, or worried that your ambition is turning into something unhealthy, this episode is worth a listen. 

In this episode, you’ll learn: 















00:00 Intro 

01:33 What workaholism is (and the four components)

04:32 Early signs your work habits are becoming unhealthy

07:21 What to do if you think you might be a workaholic 

11:23 How leaders unintentionally create “always-on” teams

13:26 How to bring boundaries up with your boss

20:46 Redesigning work culture

24:04 Surviving a 40-hour workweek without losing your life

32:56 Rapid fire: urgent emails, Slack, PTO, and commute baths

GUEST LINKS

Read Never Not Working: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647825096 

https://www.malissaclark.com/ 

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ABOUT AMBITION 2.0Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have.

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In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Alexa von Tobel—the founder of LearnVest (where she raised $75M and successfully sold it to Northwestern Mutual) and current founder and managing partner of Inspired Capital—to unpack the resilient mindset that has shaped her successful career, from founder to venture-capital veteran.Alexa dropped out of Harvard Business School and poured her life savings into LearnVest, a multimillion-dollar business idea—despite warnings from nearly everyone around her that she was making a big mistake. She did it in the middle of the 2008 economic recession, no less.

Alexa shares why her 90-year-old self (and the fear of regret) fuels her to take big risks, the qualities she looks for when investing in a founder, and practical tips for pitching your business to VCs for the first time. She also shares an unpopular truth: if you’re becoming an entrepreneur for the status or the “quick money,” it’s going to be a rough ride. There’s only one reason why you should start your own business: because you can’t do any other job.

Key takeaways


Regret is usually about the swings you didn’t take—not the mistakes you made.


Raising capital gets easier when you combine mission + proof + obsessive category insight.


Feedback is a competitive edge (and ego is the fastest way to lose it).


Entrepreneurship shouldn’t be “cool”—it should be inevitable for the person doing it.



Sustainable ambition comes from doing what you love + what you’re excellent at, then turning the intensity toward your whole life.

00:00 Intro

02:46 Reclaiming ambition as a positive force

04:11 The LearnVest origin story and dropping out during the economic downturn of 2008

07:53 Raising $75M and the difference between capital vs. “world-class” capital

15:24 What founders get wrong in pitches (and what great answers sound like)

24:20 Identity beyond titles, exits, and the founder doom spiral

33:54 Speed round: The one quality she looks for before investing in founders (and the one that’s a major red flag) 

GUEST LINKS

IG: https://www.instagram.com/alexavontobel/?hl=en 

Listen to her podcast here: https://www.inspiredcapital.com/content/podcasts 

Learn more about Inspired Capital: https://www.inspiredcapital.com 

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In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with psychotherapist and Toxic Productivity author Israa Nasir to unpack why so many high-achieving women feel constantly behind, overwhelmed, and unable to rest—even when they’re doing “everything right.”

Israa explains how productivity often becomes a coping mechanism for shame, fear, and feeling “not good enough,” and why no system, planner, or habit hack can fix that. Together, they talk about the early warning signs of toxic productivity (including resentment and the phrase “I just need to get through next week”), how unhealed wounds show up at work through perfectionism and feedback sensitivity, and why rest isn’t a reward—it’s a requirement.

They also talk about how convenience culture and “main character energy” are quietly eroding community, why boundaries shouldn’t be rigid walls, and what it really takes to build a sustainable, values-aligned relationship with ambition.

In this episode, you’ll learn:



Why productivity is often emotional avoidance, not motivation



The earliest signs your productivity has turned toxic



How reparenting shows up in your career (feedback, perfectionism, taking up space)



The 7 types of rest (and no, scrolling doesn’t count)



Why convenience is costing us connection and how to build community again

00:00 Intro

04:17 When productivity becomes toxic

09:07 Reparenting at work

15:11 Boundaries 101

18:16 Hyper-optimizing “self-improvement”

26:21 Contentment vs complacency (and the “both/and” mindset)

28:06 The 7 types of rest

31:42 Convenience vs connection

38:28 Rapid-fire questions 

GUEST LINKS

IG: https://www.instagram.com/well.guide/ 

Subscribe to Well Guide: https://israanasir.substack.com/ 

https://www.israanasir.com/ 

Read Toxic Productivity: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781962305358 

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In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Starbucks' Global Chief Brand Officer Tressie Lieberman to talk about the path that led her through some of the biggest brands in marketing (Pizza Hut → Taco Bell → Chipotle → Yahoo → Starbucks), the mentors who changed her trajectory, and the family system that makes it possible: a true partnership where her husband is the stay-at-home parent.

They get tactical about how to divide the cognitive load, why “Sunday check-ins” are a non-negotiable, and how to navigate the social friction that still shows up when you flip traditional gender roles.

In this episode, you’ll learn:


How Tressie went from aiming for “the next level” to owning the CMO path—and what made that shift happen


Why curiosity (and doing “the little extra things”) is key in your career


How to build a partnership that’s equitable, not score-keeping


The practical systems that reduce mental load at home


How to handle judgment, weird school dynamics, and “default parent” assumptions when dad stays home

If you’re building an ambitious life—and want a relationship that can grow with it—this episode is a must listen.

00:00 Intro

02:53 The mindset shift that set Tressie’s sights beyond “the next level” 

04:02 The mentors who opened doors (including reverse mentoring a CEO)

05:36 How to stand out early: curiosity, doing extra, and teaching what’s next

06:49 Advocating for yourself in executive rooms (and getting over FOE: fear of executives)

09:10 How they chose a stay-at-home partner dynamic

13:59 The at-home teamwork: check-ins, trade-offs, and letting go of perfection and control

17:45 Keeping the marriage strong: date nights, boundaries, and “one blended life”

32:45 Rapid fire: Sunday rituals, go-to Starbucks order, and ideal partnership in one word

GUEST LINKS

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tressielieberman/ 

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According to workplace culture expert and author Jennifer Moss, burnout in 2025 is actually worse than it was at the height of the pandemic—with roughly half of the global workforce experiencing symptoms. 🙃

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Jennifer to unpack why burnout is still rising, why “hardcore culture” and the 996 movement are actually bad for business (and employee morale), and why self-care rituals like a face mask and a Sunday night bath are band-aid solutions for a systems-level problem. 

They get into the uncomfortable truth about ageism (both Gen Z and older workers are experiencing bias) and what leaders are getting wrong about “return to office” and productivity.

You’ll also hear a much more hopeful take on the future of work: how to design cultures around hope, purpose, and community, what actually moves the needle on wellbeing and performance, and what employees can do when they’re stuck in a bad culture but can’t just quit (because… rent). They also dig into AI, “boreout,” calendar Tetris, and the simple 20-minute rituals that can quietly transform a team. 

Key Takeaways: 


Burnout is a systems failure, not a self-care issue 


Ageism is shrinking the workforce more than AI


How to assert boundaries with your boss when you’re burned out (and can’t quit)


Clear signs you’re burning out 


Community at work is a performance driver, not a perk


3 things every company culture should have to prevent burnout

Whether you’re a manager, an HR leader, or just someone who’s tired, cynical, and wondering, “Is it me… or my job?” this episode will give you language, frameworks, and actionable steps you can take today to redesign the way you work forever.

00:00 Intro

01:30 Redefining ambition without toxic productivity

06:30 Generational divides, ageism & entry-level careers

11:12 Burnout as a systems failure (not a self-care issue)

13:40 Hardcore culture, the 996 movement, and the real cost it has on companies

23:03 What employees can do when they can’t just quit

29:28 Three warning signs you’re sliding into burnout

32:30 The pillars of great culture

38:09 AI, “boreout,” and designing a lower-burnout future of work

GUEST LINKS

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jleighmoss/?hl=en 

https://www.jennifer-moss.com/ 

Why Are We Here? Creating a Work Culture Everyone Wants: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647826130

The Burnout Epidemic: The Rise of Chronic Stress and How We Can Fix It: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647820367

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In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Erika Ayers Badan, former CEO of Barstool Sports, current CEO of Food52, bestselling author of Nobody Cares About Your Career, and all-around master of building a career entirely on her own terms. 

Erika took Barstool from scrappy outsider to a $550M powerhouse with 5 billion monthly video views and 225 million followers, and now she’s teaching us how to take charge of our own career trajectory.

Erika shows us the real mechanics of career growth: why nobody is coming to save you, how to make your own luck, why “random” career paths are often the most powerful, and the mindset shifts that separate fulfilled professionals from stuck ones. 

She also shares candid stories from her time leading one of the most controversial (and successful) media companies in the world, what she’s learned about managing men and underdogs, how to stay emotionally regulated at work, and why she advocates for not bringing your whole self to work (compartmentalization can actually enhance your authenticity). 

Erika shares her thoughts on: 

Your career is only for you—not for LinkedIn, not for your resume, and not for anyone else’s approval.

Luck is made, not given: initiative, shameless asking, and momentum matter more than pedigree in the early stages of your career.

Every job, even the terrible or random ones, contains a skill or lesson you’ll use later.

Emotional regulation and compartmentalization are leadership superpowers, not repression.

You don’t have to be the “alpha” to lead; service, empowerment, and clarity are often more effective.

A great boss can change your entire career trajectory—interview them as much as they interview you.

You’ll also hear Erika’s framework for avoiding energy vampires, deciding which “thankless” tasks are worth it, building a personal board of directors, and creating momentum at any stage of your career—from your second job to the C-suite.

00:00 Intro

03:50 The biggest misconception about career progression

09:23 Surviving bad startups and getting the most out of them

14:20 Making your own luck and the power of asking for help

16:36 Personal boards and shameless asks 

20:41 How junior employees can stand out and create momentum

23:37 Leading in a male-dominated culture without being the alpha

32:33 Compartmentalization, authenticity, and emotional regulation at work

39:47 Energy vampires, thankless tasks, and protecting your focus

42:37 How to pick a boss and read interviews differently

45:53 Erika’s work at Food52 and Work Life A Girl, and the power of building community

49:15 Rapid-fire questions and Erika’s non-negotiables at work

GUEST LINKS

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/erika/ & https://www.instagram.com/workwitherika/ 

Connect with Erika: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikanardini/ 

Subscribe to her Substack: https://erikaayersbadan.substack.com/ 

Listen to her podcast, Work: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/work-with-erika-ayers-badan/id1503065691 

Join Work Like a Girl: https://www.worklikeagirl.com/ 

Order her book, Nobody Cares About Your Career: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781250320582

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In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda sits down with board-certified psychiatrist, researcher, and viral mental health educator Dr. Judith Joseph, MD, MBA, to talk about a form of depression that often flies under the radar: high-functioning depression.

If you’re the one who “has it together” (the dependable friend, the rock at work, the caregiver who never drops the ball), but feel numb, exhausted, or joyless inside, this conversation is going to hit uncomfortably close to home (in the best way).

Dr. Judith breaks down:

Why so many high-achieving, caregiving women are especially vulnerable

The science-backed difference between happiness (external, elusive) and joy (internal, accessible)

Her framework of the five V’s of healing: validation, venting, values, vitals, and vision

How people-pleasing and masochistic traits keep you stuck

The surprising ways trauma, divorce, and “smaller” emotional wounds shape our ambition and burnout

Why anhedonia (a loss of joy) is a red flag 

How PMDD, postpartum, and perimenopause can amplify everything

They also get into practical tools: how to set limits with toxic people you can’t fully cut them off, how to support a friend with high-functioning depression without shaming them, and why scheduling joy is needed.

If you’ve ever thought, “I’m functioning… but I’m not okay,” this episode will help you name it, understand it, and start to change it.

00:00 Intro

01:39 Judith’s story of realizing she was depressed

03:19 Why high-achieving, caregiving women are vulnerable to high-functioning depression

04:41 The difference between happiness and joy

08:30 The five V’s of healing

11:06 What masochism really means, how it became “people-pleasing,” and why women self-sacrifice

19:27 Venting vs trauma dumping 

24:16 How Dr. Judith reclaimed joy through play

33:08 How to support a friend with high-functioning depression

GUEST LINKS

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjudithjoseph/?hl=en 

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drjudithjoseph 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmHQJaOerTsZJfOtiYz4sOg 

Read High Functioning: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780316577298 

https://drjudithjoseph.com/

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When it comes to money, most of us were taught to work hard, focus on saving, and not take any financial risks. In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Rachel Rodgers (self-made millionaire, founder of Hello Seven, and author of We Should All Be Millionaires and Future Millionaire) is here to replace that belief with something way more powerful.

Rachel and Amanda get into why wealth is built on risk, not by simply “working harder”, how women are socialized to budget instead of build wealth, and the exact mindset and practical moves that helped Rachel go from living in a low-income household as a child to running an eight-figure business.

You’ll hear them talk about:


Why “making money is easy” is the belief Rachel wishes she’d adopted at 25


The biggest limiting belief holding ambitious women back


Why wealth comes after betting on yourself—not just by investing in stocks and real estate


How to know when it’s time to hire help (EA, VA, house manager, childcare, etc.)

Turning your natural talents and obsessions into income streams

How Rachel designs her life so she can make millions without burning out


00:00 Intro 

04:10 Why women are taught to budget—not build wealth

07:30 Failure, risk, and “successful failure”

10:40 Turning your natural talents into income

14:10 When (and why) to hire help instead of doing it all

19:40 Balancing “treating yourself” with long-term financial goals

23:25 Ambition without burnout: Rachel’s non-negotiables

25:30 The power of community, accountability, and momentum

29:41 The money belief Rachel wishes she had learned sooner

31:10 Rapid fire: millionaire habits, splurges, and rich-life rules

GUEST LINKS

Rachel Rodgers: https://www.instagram.com/rachrodgersesq/ 

Read We Should All Be Millionaires: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781400221622

Read Future Millionaire: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780310158202 

Read Million Dollar Action: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781400243686 

Hello Seven Co.: https://www.instagram.com/hello7co/ 

https://rachelrodgers.com/

The Rachel Rodgers Show: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/therachelrodgersshow/the-rachel-rodgers-show-entrepreneurship-uncensored

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What if ambition didn’t mean chasing the next title, paycheck, or performance review? In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with executive coach, podcast host, and author Amina AlTai (The Ambition Trap) to unpack what ambition really means—and why it might need a full rebrand.

Together, Amanda and Amina get real about how culture (and capitalism) have warped our relationship with ambition—especially for women—and how to reclaim it on our own terms. From the “core wounds” that drive our overachieving tendencies to the importance of rest, self-awareness, and setting boundaries, this episode is your permission slip to stop chasing and start living.

✍️What you’ll learn


Why ambition is cyclical (seasons of push + rest)


The five core wounds (Lise Bourbeau) & how they show up at work


“Painful” vs “purposeful” ambition—and how to shift


The five "whys" to separate ego goals from what truly lights you up


The resentment line: naming needs, stating them, and negotiating


How to spot toxic individualism and reframe success as a team sport


Why identity is a prism (you’re more than your job title)

Whether you’re deep in your hustle era or learning to rest without guilt, this convo will help you spot what’s fueling your ambition—pain or purpose—and redesign it for something sustainable, joyful, and yours.

00:00 Intro

02:14 Two camps of ambition

03:58 Core wounds & masks

08:10 Untangling identity from achievement (and capitalism’s worthiness trap)

14:17 Desire, shame, and policing women’s wants

18:34 Toxic individualism vs. team sport mentality

22:38 Mistaking passion for purpose

26:50 Finding your purpose

32:45 Living above the resentment line

GUEST LINKS

Amina AlTai: https://www.instagram.com/aminaaltai/?hl=en 

Read The Ambition Trap: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780593655306 

https://www.aminaaltai.com/ 

RESOURCES MENTIONED: 

Lise Bourbeau’s Five Core Wounds framework

Stephen Cope’s The Great Work of Your Life 

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In this episode, Amanda Goetz sits down with Eve Rodsky—the New York Times bestselling author of Fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space—to unpack one of the most important (and under-discussed) topics for ambitious women today: the invisible labor that keeps households running and the systems needed to make ambition sustainable.

In a world where the lines between home, work, and personal ambition are constantly blurred, understanding the dynamics of domestic labor has never been more vital.

Eve gets real about:


💭 The unseen emotional labor women carry every day—and why it drains ambition


💡 How to redefine success through systems, boundaries, and honest conversations


🔥 Why “having it all” isn’t the goal—and what fulfillment actually looks like


🦄 The power of “unicorn space” and how to carve out time for joy and creativity


❤️ How to reset relationship dynamics using the Fair Play Framework

Let’s dive into what happens when ambition collides with expectation—and how to tactfully rewrite those rules for yourself.

From invisible labor to emotional burnout, from systems thinking to radical self-care, this episode explores how women can reclaim their time, redefine ambition on their own terms, and build lives rooted in equity, purpose, and joy.

00:00 Intro

02:08 Defining modern ambition

03:41 The blueberry story that nearly ended a marriage

08:09 Advice for young women who are dating and are on the fence about kids

11:42 The importance of “unicorn space”

21:37 Navigating relationships and “fair play”

25:15 The oppressive nature of “finding time”

26:35 Boundaries and systems for balance

29:18 The role of “fair play” in relationships

30:39 The practice of setting boundaries

36:30 Radical generosity and protecting your time

38:46 Seasons of life and self-care

GUEST LINKS

Eve Rodsky: https://www.instagram.com/everodsky 

Read Fair Play: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780525541943 Read Find Your Unicorn Space: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780593328033 

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In the debut episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—the visionary co-founders of Phia, the AI-powered shopping assistant backed by Hailey Bieber, Kris Jenner, Sheryl Sandberg, and other major investors.

From meeting as college roommates at Stanford and launching Phia as a class project to raising an $8M seed round for their company, Phoebe and Sophia have been through it all together. They get candid about building a tech startup from scratch, navigating friendship as co-founders, and learning how to set boundaries to avoid burnout.

They open up about:


The real meaning of work-life balance (and does it even exist?)


Why personal branding is a superpower for founders


The “ground rules” that keep their friendship—and business—thriving


Lessons from their fundraising journey and startup leadership


The creative philosophy behind their own podcast, The Burnouts

Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur or just love a good founder origin story, this episode dives deep into ambition, friendship, and what it takes to build something groundbreaking.

(00:00) Intro

(03:50) The origin story of Phia

(05:18) Building the Phia team and shaping company culture

(11:50) Raising $8M with high-profile investors

(14:15) Friendship “ground rules” for co-founders 

(23:10) Burnout, boundaries, and balance

(28:42) Work-life balance

(30:45) Why personal branding matters more than ever

(32:00) Rapid-fire questions

(38:23) Advice for aspiring entrepreneurs

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A new era of ambition is here. Welcome Ambition 2.0, the new podcast from Girlboss, where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it.

Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition, like author Eve Rodsky, money and wealth expert Rachel Rodgers, Phia founders Phoebe Gates and Sophie Kianni, and businesswoman and former Barstool Sports CEO Erika Ayers Badan, with additional powerhouse guests to be revealed throughout the season.

They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have.

Hosted by Amanda Goetz, a 2x founder, 4x CMO, mom of three, and author of the new book, Toxic Grit. New episodes drop every Tuesday. Premiering October 29.
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If you’re in New York City or are planning a visit before January 5, 2025, you’re going to want to head to the Music Box Theatre to see Suffs The Musical. Get your tickets now at https://suffsmusical.com/  
On this episode of Girlboss Radio, Avery chats with Dayna Isom Johnson, Etsy's resident trend expert. If that job sounds really cool, that's because it is.
Dayna spends her days interpreting data and trend insights and talking about creativity to uplift and promote Etsy's 5.4 million makers. She makes frequent TV appearances and talks to the media about emerging design trends. Yup, she knew about cottagecore way before the rest of us did.
Dayna did not apply for the job she has now—but she created it by zeroing in on what she loved to do and asking Etsy's leadership to create a role that fit her talent and excitement. 
Avery and Dayna talked about the unusual way Dayna figured out her dream job, how to tell if a company will be a great place to work from the interview stage, and play a special round of In or Out: Design Trends Edition.
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This episode is brought to you by SIX.

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What if you could measure and improve your emotional fitness—just like you track steps or workouts? Emotions play a powerful role in shaping the decisions we make, the connections we form, and the strategies that drive successful marketing.

In today’s episode, we’re diving into the fascinating intersection of cognitive psychology, emotional decision-making, and customer behavior.  

Laura Beavin-Yates, PhD, the Chief Marketing Officer of SIX and Immersion, shares how neurochemicals like dopamine and oxytocin shape our behaviors and why understanding them is so important for building emotional connections in life and business. Laura also unpacks her nonlinear career journey from academia to working with major brands like Google and P&G.  

We explore the transformative power of data, emotional decision-making, and why psychological safety is the key to thriving in remote work environments. Laura introduces SIX, an app designed to help users identify moments that boost wellbeing and emotional health, offering a fresh perspective on how we can take ownership of our mental and emotional lives.  

This conversation is perfect for anyone curious about how emotions drive consumer behavior, how to create meaningful connections, or how to bring more psychological safety to the workplace.

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It’s officially goal-setting season, and what better way to kick it off than by revisiting one of our most-loved episodes? We’re bringing back our conversation with Roxie Nafousi, verified manifestation expert and bestselling author of Manifest—because if you’re dreaming big for the new year, this is the only episode you need.

So, can you actually manifest your dream job (and life)? Back in 2022, our host Avery Francis wasn’t so sure. However, her conversation with Roxie completely shifted her perspective. Roxie broke it all down: manifestation isn’t about crossing your fingers and hoping for the best. It’s about showing up with hard work, clear intention, and a dose of positivity.

This episode shares tangible steps and practical tips to bring more intention into your life. Don’t wait for January 1st—start setting those goals today and discover how to manifest your way into the career (and life!) of your dreams.

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Money talk can feel awkward, but today’s guest is here to change that.
Claire Wasserman, the founder of Ladies Get Paid, teaches us exactly how women can navigate salary negotiations with confidence—no more sweaty palms or second-guessing.
Avery and Claire first dive into the wage gap and discuss why salary negotiation is a skill every woman needs. From researching compensation (hint: it’s more than just Glassdoor) to documenting your wins and understanding the full scope of benefits, Claire offers actionable strategies to help you advocate for yourself at work like a pro.
She also breaks down the role of HR in salary discussions and offers tips on building workplace allies to support your professional growth. Pro tip: likability does matter in negotiations—but so does timing, preparation, and knowing what not to say. 
Plus, Claire gives us her real thoughts on viral career advice—like the idea of “being delusional” in your asks—and advocates for a grounded, research-based approach that leads to real results.
Whether you’re gearing up for a performance review, planning your next big career move, or simply looking to feel more confident at work, this episode is packed with insights and strategies to help you own your worth.  

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This episode is brought to you by HigherDOSE. 

Get 20% off sitewide at HigherDOSE.com with the code GIRLBOSS20—excluding bundles and subscriptions. If you spend over $500, you’ll get an exclusive gift with your purchase. But don’t wait too long—this offer ends on December 7, 2024.
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What if you could hack your happiness? Lauren Berlingeri, the co-founder of HigherDOSE, will teach you how in this episode. 
The certified holistic nutritionist and health coach shares her journey behind the wellness brand that’s changing how we think about self-care.
Lauren and Avery get real about the science of “happy chemicals”—dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins (yep, that’s where the name HigherDOSE comes from!). They break down what these mood-boosters are, why they matter, and how to “microdose” them in your daily life. 
Spoiler alert: quick fixes, like that pre-girls’-night-out glass of wine, might feel good in the moment but real, sustainable joy? That takes some mindful magic (don’t worry—Lauren will give you the cheat codes).
From the healing power of infrared technology to transitioning between masculine and feminine energies, Lauren shares her tips for balancing her busy schedule as a CEO and a mom of twins while prioritizing her own wellness. Yes, it’s possible!

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🎧 Listen to Adrien Bettio and Hyla Nayeri’s episode here: https://pod.link/1041122387/episode/d1fd3a39edd8488a17bf1c00c81bb578
📚 The Athena Doctrine by Michael D'Antonio and John Gerzema: https://fave.co/4eA5eMk
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This episode is brought to you by LPGA. Don’t forget to mark your calendars for November 20, 2024—the LPGA is unveiling its 75th Anniversary schedule for the 2025 season, kicking off at the CME Group Tour Championship. Catch all the action on NBC and Golf Channel!

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Turns out, we’ve all got a lot more in common with a professional athlete than we think. Yes, you included! You’re in for a refreshingly honest look at the realities of life as a professional athlete, reminding us that self-doubt and pressure aren’t signs of weakness—they’re simply part of the journey, something we all experience, athletes or not.

Avery sat down with professional golfer Lauren Coughlin, who’s been golfing since the age of seven and making a name for herself on the LPGA Tour. With two championships and eight top-10 finishes this year alone, Lauren has not only mastered the game of golf but she’s also learned invaluable lessons about discipline, resilience, and navigating the highs and lows of a competitive career. Lauren's husband even quit his full-time job this year to join her team.

Avery and Lauren also talk about how golf is considered an old boys’ club where men make business deals and network, and how as a woman and first-time golfer, you can also break into these male-dominated spaces with confidence.

Lauren gives us an inside understanding of how her journey in golf has shaped her mindset and work ethic, and the importance of quieting your inner critic and having a strong support system—all things we can relate to in the corporate 9-5 grind.

If you’ve ever struggled with self-doubt, managing pressure, or finding ways to keep growing in your career, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways that will inspire you to keep pushing forward—whether you’re on the green or in the boardroom.

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This episode is brought to you by EBY. 

Women have been conditioned to live with discomfort—at work, at home, and even in our bras. 

Julie Sukosd, the Chief Revenue Officer at EBY (which stands for Empowered By You), has set out to change that. Why? Because as she says in our conversation, if we don’t put ourselves first, then who will?

Julie covers the all-so-common ways women feel uncomfortable at work, whether it’s giving or receiving feedback, advocating for ourselves, and even what we choose to put on our bodies first thing in the morning. We talk about how this impacts our personal empowerment and well-being, and how women can reclaim their self-worth and prioritize themselves once and for all. 

EBY is an intimate apparel brand that is anti-metal underwire. Instead, their innovative bras offer gentle, poke-free support using a nylon thread that’s 3D printed inside a line of silicone and then coated with their signature slip-proof flocking. You no longer have to compromise your comfort!
They also have a mission of helping a million women in Colombia, Nicaragua, Haiti, and India transition out of poverty and into business through micro-loans that come from every purchase.

This conversation reminded us that comfort is not a luxury—it’s a necessity.

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This episode is brought to you by Huha. 

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This conversation is unlike any other we’ve had on Girlboss Radio. It’s raw, it’s vulnerable, and it’s quite emotional. We talk about addiction, depression, and PTSD. If your heart is feeling up for it, we hope Alexa’s story will help you feel less alone—if not, save this for when you’re ready.

If you believe you need to have it all figured out from day one, you’ll want to hear from this week’s guest, Alexa Suter, the founder of Huha, a brand of breathable, ultra-comfy underwear made from mineral and tree-derived fibers.

Alexa has always felt like she was unhireable. She thought she was too emotionally unstable to sustain a 9-5 job. And this unshakeable feeling shaped her entrepreneurial journey. She never even had a full-time job and knew early on that a traditional career path was not in the cards.

In this episode, Alexa shares her journey dealing with grief and its profound impact on her career, reflecting on how those challenging moments shaped her perspective as a leader. She opens up about the personal work she did to navigate her Dark Night of the Soul and the moment she made her first million—and had a mental breakdown. Through navigating hardship, she turned her experiences into fuel for her entrepreneurial spirit.

Now, as the head of a multi-million dollar company, Alexa truly embodies resilience and authenticity. She shows us that embracing vulnerability can spark incredible growth and success.

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What if taking a career break was the answer to recovering from burnout, reigniting your creativity, and achieving a better work-life balance? 

It was for Dani Nelson! 

With over 10 years working in the marketing industry, Dani transitioned from a full-time corporate gal working at Shopify and Canadian telecommunications company TELUS to full-time entrepreneurship as a content creator, marketing consultant, and Liberty Leave™ coach, dedicated to empowering women to take their own mini-retirements and explore the world (or rediscover what lights them up outside of work).

Dani shares her concept of "Liberty Leave," a term she coined to describe the transformative power of stepping away from work to recharge and reflect. During her first sabbatical, she spent six months solo traveling in Southeast Asia, and now, she’s on her second one, living in Malaga, Spain.

In today’s episode, Dani recounts her own journey from a demanding corporate career to a life filled with travel and self-discovery, highlighting the often-overlooked signs of burnout that can creep into our lives.

But why aren’t career breaks normalized? How will you explain that gap in your resume to future employers? And what will your family think?!  

Don’t worry! Dani covers it all while offering practical advice for those considering a sabbatical. We discuss the importance of financial planning and the emotional courage it takes to embrace the unknown, no matter what stage of your career. Spoiler: You have to be risk-averse!

Dani inspired us to rethink our relationship with work and to understand that rest isn’t a luxury; it’s a necessity. And 2-3 weeks of vacation per year just isn’t cutting it. Curious about how to give yourself permission to take that much-needed break? You won’t want to miss this conversation. 

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Have you ever noticed how women are often told to stay humble, downplay their achievements, and avoid sharing their successes? When we do share our wins, we’re labeled as cocky or self-obsessed.

In today’s episode, we’re flipping that narrative.

We explore practical ways to recognize and celebrate your successes, including effective strategies for promoting yourself online—because no, it’s not cringe to brag!

Stefanie Sword-Williams, a personal branding powerhouse and founder of Fuck Being Humble, aims to encourage individuals to be unapologetically proud of their achievements, sharing tactical tips to challenge the stigma around self-promotion.

Stefanie discusses her journey with self-promotion and why she is passionate about changing the conversation. We cover practical ways to celebrate your achievements, how to promote yourself online (again, it’s not cringe to brag!), and why you shouldn’t hesitate to ask friends to brag about you too.

This conversation is perfect for anyone who has struggled with sharing their successes or felt hesitant to own their worth.

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